Ep. 12 - Seven Deadly Sins by Corey Taylor

Do you know the band Slipknot? If not, do you know that one T-shirt that every hard rock kid in your high school wore?? Now imagine if their front man wrote a treatise on some of Christianity's most fundamental rules but understood nothing about them. JC is back with some Catholicism, some Nu Metal lore, and the white boy's version of Taylor Swift. Jump on in and see if you can guess which of the 7 deadly sins Corey Taylor will choose as the most important.

Transcript

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It's me, it's Chloe, we're back, it's a JC one, there probably will be penises, but not the giant That's okay, which I wasn't ready to introduce you. That's JC, he's back, he's doing crazy shit with technology. Everyone applaud JC. He learned how to Chromecast to the TV, so I'm actually looking at his giant notes. Uh, this is a huge feat for him. Congratulations, Kate.

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Thank you.

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I'm really proud of you.

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Thank you.

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How many articles did you have to read?

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Uh, only one. But it was a wiki how.

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That's like 17 articles put together. That's okay though. So we're talking about your book today.

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Yeah.

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But what have you been reading recently?

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Uh, recently I read the book Kate Viden by Reynolds Price. Kate? Kate. Oh, Kate. Kate Viden. Like her, that's her name. God, your accent's crazy. Kate Viden.

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Thank you for enunciating your words, King.

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You're welcome. Um, it's about this girl who's uh has a difficult life and is raised in uh, I believe, Northern North Carolina. And it's about like um her life. The the framing narrative is um this is all part of a letter she is writing to the son she abandoned 40 years prior. Um, and she's kind of like explaining her life up until this point, why she gave the baby up for adoption, um, or not up to her adoption, uh, abandoned the baby with her aunt. Um what happened to who his father is, what happened to his father. Um, and it's um it's very emotional. Uh, I read this book because Reynolds Price is largely considered one of the better Southern writers when writing fem male Southern writers when writing female characters. Um, one of the problems I have with um Cormac McCarthy's earlier earlier, more overtly Southern gothic work is that um he writes in kind of like a uh a way that and I haven't read the rest of Cormac McCarthy's body of work, so I I don't know to what extent this is true for the rest of it. But he does not write like he um likes women um or respects women.

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And how is that different from everyone else? Ooh, got its ass.

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Um, well, Kate Biden is like a very um expansive, emotional um story of a woman in the South, and I I I think a lot of oomph is put on the fact that Reynolds Price uh was a gay man. Um, and like that's why he would write a well-fleshed out depiction of a woman. Wrong! Um, but I I don't know.

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That feels like no one hates women more than gay men.

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That feels so like uh uh I don't know, essentialist to me in a way. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, like because he's kind of effeminate and as as like a gay guy, he like knows women. But I don't know. I feel like gay dudes can be pretty uh misogynistic.

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Look, you'll never hear anyone talk about how much they hate vaginas more than gay men.

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Huge cum.

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And you don't have to have a vagina to be a woman, they're like not mutually exclusive. Uh, but like, there's just like a lot of like hate. Oh, yeah, for sure. Women are stupid, women are this, women are this fuck you. Anyway.

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Anyway, what have you been reading lately?

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Okay, I just posted about this on my Instagram literally as we started recording.

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On the Insta.

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On the Insta, so that's gonna date the episode immediately. Sorry about that, King. Uh, I just finished the third fucking The Monster Face series, which I've been talking about. Oh, yeah. Um, I just finished it's called Stitched Up and You. I think it officially just got published really recently. Uh I'm obsessed. I'm fucking obsessed. I'm so fucking obsessed. Uh, I'm so glad I ordered a special edition of these books. Uh Frankenstein is huge, he's seven feet tall, he's big, he's strong. His name is not Frankenstein, it's Frank in middle name is like Nathaniel or something. Nathaniel he's so big, his penis is burst, it vibrates. Uh his yeah, his main love interest is named Bernadette, which we talked about in the um Your Cougher Mind episode.

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Yep.

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Uh, and she's amazing. She's like this fat little southern, I mean, she's like wealthy, so like they could use some serious communist manifesto in this bitch. But like, whenever she gets like a bad attitude or feels like down on herself, she just like mutters to herself like fat and sassy. And I'm like, I love that. I love that that is like like that can be a positive mantra for you.

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Fat and sassy.

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Yes, exactly. Um, so I loved it. Uh Frank is giant and blonde, and as I put my Instagram post, he changed my mind about blonde men. Maybe they can be sexy.

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Oh, maybe they can be sexy.

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You're already sexy, but you're sexy despite being blonde.

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I'm sexy despite being blonde.

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Well, it's it's turning browner as you get older.

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As yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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As I'm as I as I reach uh ripeness.

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Your your sexual maturity.

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I would hope I'm there.

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40 is when you really hate your prime. Um, so yeah, that's what I've been reading. I really obsessed with it. It's actually officially the last one that's been published. The next one is gonna be called like Locked in Love or something like that, which is about the Loch Ness Monster. Um I know. I the I started reading uh this book, uh, which is the series by Jaclyn Hyde like a few months ago for Monster Erotica, and I am fucking hooked, bro. Hooked. Anyway, so I will hopefully have to come across her at a con because I I'm obs I'm obsessed.

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I mean, yeah.

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I want, and she has these prints which I just posted on Instagram, and they are like, ooh, they make my pussy want to do a round of applause, you know what I'm saying?

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They are everything.

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They are they are serving they are serving monster cock realness. There's no monster cock, you can't put that on Instagram. They're serving suggested monster penis realness. Uh anyway, JC, what are we talking about today?

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We are discussing the uh metaphysical and philosophical tome The Seven Deadly Sins uh by Corey Taylor. Uh Corey Taylor, despite his um beautiful work in philosophy, we'll get into, is more famous for his role as the lead singer of Stone Sour and more famously, Slipknot. Um, if you haven't heard of Slipknot, um if you went to high school in the late 2000s, early 2010s, um, you may recognize Slipknot from um the t-shirts that the most annoying people you knew in high school were wearing.

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My favorite is that the Slipknot font has been stolen lately for the really famous shirts you see at like every book con, which is like Oh really? Yeah, which is the ones that say uh like protect your public library or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

That's so funny, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah.

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I'll get you one. I'll get you one. I'll get you one.

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Yeah, give me one in the slipknot font.

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In the slip knot font. Um, Chloe.

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TC.

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What do you know about you? I imagine you're more likely to know about Slipknot than Stone Sour, but what do you know about any of these groups? Corey Taylor, Stone Sour, Slipknot.

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Stone Sour sounds like it would be a candy, so nothing.

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Okay.

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Uh Slipknot, I know they have the crazy font that everyone likes to wear on their shirts. That's all I got.

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That's all you know? Yeah. You don't know anything else about this band? Oh, this episode is about to be amazing. Um Slipknot. I'm gonna talk about them first, because they're more famous. Um, Slipknot is one of the like, um they got started as started as like a new metal band in like the late 90s, early 2000s.

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Um, explain new metal to me. I hear the term a lot and I know it's for dirtbags, but I don't truly know what that means.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

New metal is like, um, it's like the style of music where um they have like um disc scratching in it. Um it's kind of rap-oriented, because rap was getting famous in the late 90s. Uh Limp Biscuit is gonna be in this, corn is gonna be in this genre. Um it's got like um ha like um heavier chugging riffs, and um there's uh espe's for New Metal specifically, is like um kind of like an orientation towards like um hip-hop instrumentation. Slipknot is I mean, if you watch like a slipknot concert, it's kind of incredible. Uh it's one of these bands that has like 11 people on stage. Um there's so many, there's so many of them. Um they all have masks on, they uh and like um they have like names, uh they have like aka is like Corey Taylor's, he's the lead singer. Corey Taylor is number eight. Um uh aka Cory Taylor, aka number eight, aka the great big mouth. Does he have a big mouth? Uh I guess. I don't to me, no, but like I don't think anybody has a big mouth because I have the biggest.

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You do, bitch! JC tried to impress me once by shoving a whole potato in his mouth and eating it.

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And I did it.

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And you did how many? Do you remember when I made you do um Chubby Bunny that one time, how many marshmallows you got too?

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It was ten. It was ten marshmallows, it was ten uh big old marshmallows.

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He wants to, it's big marshmallows, and then you slobbered all over yourself.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Like a little, like a little, like a little disgusting crowboy who eats plastic. Yeah, exactly.

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Um so they uh later, once like new metal kind of like gets out of vogue, Slipknot switches towards like a um more like what I I guess you could call alt metal. They want a Grammy for one of their songs. We'll check it out here in a second. Oh Jesus, okay. They want a Grammy for their song Before I Forget in 2006. Um I never got into Slipknot. Um again, kind of like everything that I that was popular that I didn't get into. Uh people who did like it were annoying to me. And so I was like, well, they're annoying, therefore I assume that this thing they like is annoying and bad. Um and I mean like I'm not better by any standard. Um I was I was listening to like Megadeth. Yes. So like I was uh to be clear, I wasn't cooler than the Slipknot kids. The fact that I was listening to a band whose music came out like 10 to 20 years prior to stuff the Slipknot people were listening to makes them kind of cooler than me. I I'm very willing to admit. Um, but they were annoying to me, and so I didn't like Slipknot. Um, I've heard I I'd heard some of their songs. I even liked a couple of their songs. I didn't hate Psycho Social, um, I didn't hate Wait and Bleed. Uh that's really it. That's really it though. Um Corey Taylor's other band, Stone Sour, is um a little more melodic. It's a little softer. We'll watch one of those here in a second as well. Um, one of their biggest tracks, Bother, was on the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie. Um, it was on the soundtrack for that. Um I would describe Stone Sour's music as um the type of songs where like their lyric videos have on YouTube have comments that say like, um, ten years ago today, my brother killed himself, and every time I hear this song, I think about you thinking about you today, Low bro. And you're like, why are you why why are you oversharing in this way? It it's Stone Sour is the type of music that makes men over share online in a way truly nobody asks for. Oh, what are you ready to hear some slipknot? No. And we're back. Um, Chloe, uh talk about talk about what you've just seen. Which, again, to be clear, is um the slipknots before I forget the the song that won the McGrammy.

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It was bad.

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Um, psychosocial. Um Bother by Stone Sour.

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Two gay Jesuses singing at each other.

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Thoughts. Impressions.

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Okay, I need I'm gonna need to come clarification on some shit real quick. In that Stone Sour video, both of he's both gay Jesuses, collecting. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

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Uh so just kind of like a point of lore here. Okay. Bother by Stone Sour is originally a Corey Taylor song. Um you're named after. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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You're named her Corey Hart, my bad.

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Yes, I'm named after Carthage.

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Different Corey, my bad, my bad.

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Different Corey. He's Corey Taylor. I'm not named after Corey Taylor. I I was born before Corey Taylor was famous.

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Um predate Corey Taylor.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was born, we'll get into it. Corey Taylor's like uh uh fucking on hose in Denver.

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That's a great place to be fucking on hoes, to be fair. To be fair, that's a great place to fuck on hoes.

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The the um what it seems like happened is Stone Sour had recorded Bother, as far as I can tell. It gets picked up for the Spider-Man movie, but Stone Sour is kind of like in this gray area on like if they're going to reform as a band. Stone Sour is Corey Taylor's first band.

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Okay.

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Um he joins Slipknot, and then after Slipknot gets famous and he has like that cash paper money, he reforms Stone Sour, but it's kind of grey. So he sells the song to this for the Spider-Man movie as a Corey Taylor joint. So on the Spider-Man soundtrack, it's um credited Bother by Corey Taylor. Later he re-records it with Stone Sour.

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Okay.

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Okay. Anyway, I'm sorry, that's like a lot of level setting. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hit me with it. What's uh what are your thoughts? Let's let's start with it sounds like you have more to say about uh bother, so let's start there.

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If uh uh homoerotic.

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Yeah, a little bit, for sure. Auto auto homoerotic.

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More eyeliner than our vice president uses.

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Yeah, for sure. He's he's definitely uh made up.

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Giving the old man who shouts at Sky.

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Well, we're definitely gonna get into some of that.

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What hard drugs did Corey Taylor do?

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A lot. Um, it sounds like his big ones were um Yeah, what was his what was his little juice of choice? It sounds like um his big one was cocaine. He's he was like heavily coked out.

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Um I think How old was he in that bother music video, just out of curiosity here?

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So he would have been like 30.

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No! That was 30?

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Yeah.

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That was 30?

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Yes, yes, yes.

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That was the roughest 30 I've ever seen.

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To be fair, uh, I you kind of weren't watching it very much. Um, but like he's like coming in and out of an aged look. They have him in like a lot of um aging makeup.

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Even young one looked old. Oh, well, you know, those deep forehead lines?

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He's had he's lived a hard life.

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Girl. How hard?

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We'll get into it. Um let's talk about slipknot. What what did you think? What were your impressions?

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Let me tell you about our person. I know.

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Okay.

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I went to school with this guy.

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Uh-huh.

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We're gonna call him Joe.

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Joe.

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Joe was really nice. Joe is one of the nicest people I've ever known. I think about Joe regularly. I'm like, I hope he's doing well. Very kind, very thoughtful, very tall, very weird. Joe's dad left when he was young, and he lived with his younger brother and his mom, who was like working very, very long shifts as a nurse. It seemed like music he would really like. In fact, I know it was music he really liked.

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Oh, because he wore the shirt. He wore the shirt, yes. They they wear the shirt.

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And like the long and the oh, they wear the shirt and they have the long headphones to just blast it constantly out of their iPods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems like music that a a a teen boy who thinks they have a really hard life because they see their dad on the weekends would listen to it.

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They're like, I only see my dad every other weekend. Uh-uh. And the rain will kill us.

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Exactly type shit. Yeah, my life is so hard. My parents got divorced, but they still have an amicable co-parenting relationship type shit. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's the Taylor Swift boys.

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It really it really resonates, but on a very shallow and and um, frankly, dumb level.

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It really hits hard for people who have lived a moderately privileged, safe life.

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I think that's kind of heavy metal in general, to be fair. It's for people who have lived like a mostly privileged life.

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Yeah, no, I know, I know, as looking at someone who likes the uh heavy metal here, buddy.

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Yeah. As someone who does the psychosocial uh chorus does, I will admit, get stuck in my head periodically.

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Yeah, well, that makes sense, white boy who had a moderately privileged childhood.

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Yeah, for sure. So it's kind of hard to tell how exactly this book comes about. Corey Taylor's given like a lot of he he even like opens with like a uh an explanation on like where the idea for this book comes from. As far as I can tell, essentially what happens here is Corey Taylor is at a personality level a contrarian. He heavily he won't do what everybody else does. He doesn't like what everybody else likes.

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Me too, King, but I'm not annoying.

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He when he like gets the the the flittering urge in the back of his head to write a book.

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And he's not like everyone else.

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He he says, he says in I found an interview of him in with like a Pittsburgh radio show. Um Where's he's from Denver. Never mind, I don't remember. He he's from Idaho.

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Oh no, no, no, Iowa.

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Oh Iowa. Uh he he talks to he's on this radio show and he's talking about like um uh he keeps saying autobiography, which is funny to me because the uh autobiography and memoir are guests synonymous, but I always think of it as like autobiography is kind of like uh to me, I don't know the difference, but like to me, autobiography means like a final account. Memoir is like a personal story, um, like detailing my life during a certain period of time.

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Um I think celebrities shouldn't be allowed to use either terminology. I think both of those terminologies should be reserved for your writing your own fucking book.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Oh, well t let me tell you, he wrote this. Uh so he he he's on this he's on this interview and he's talking about everybody else writes a memoir, writes an autobiography, I wanted to write something else. He says his first idea was to write a book about philosophy, kind of kind of goofing on uh philosophy as like a uh as like a concept, goofing on like these philosophical ideals, but at the same time talking about his own life and his own philosophies. Um and his agent tells him, kind of vague, dog. And then for some godforsaken reason, his agent says, What if you wrote a book about the seven deadly sins? And he says, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, what if I, Corey Taylor, wrote a book about the seven deadly how the seven deadly sins are fucking bullshit, yo? And that's what he does. Um He writes a book about how the Seven Deadly Sins are fucking bullshit, yo. Um I don't know why. I don't know why this appealed to him, other than that he is just a contrarian, and like writing a contrarian-ass book is right up his alley.

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You told me one point in time when this book was written. Remind me again.

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Uh this book comes out in 2011.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

That is too recent. That's too recent for some of these excerpts you've pre-read to me.

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Yes, yes, yes. Um so he decides to write this book. You can really tell from the writing that he really only cares about like three or four of the deadly sins, and the rest, he kind of just has to ramble through them. He like didn't consider that like he would have to formulate an opinion on sloth. Um but there it begins. Um I do have a couple of disclaimers I want to go over real quick. Uh number one is that I am a little charmed by Corey Taylor.

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Oh, Jesus.

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Uh I don't find him funny when he's trying to be. I find him extremely cringe. Uh, but he reminds me of people I know from my hometown.

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He reminds you of a hometown D-Bag walking down the side of the highway.

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Yes. Um, and I can imagine myself being trapped in a corner at like a house party while while he tells me like since you're like fucking bullshit, man.

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Hell yeah, okay.

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Um I can just like I can just like clearly imagine that at like a uh at like a house party in like uh uh like somewhere like near my hometown.

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Yeah, okay.

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Um my second disclaimer here is I just want to get this right out of the way. I'm gonna say this like 500 more times. Corey Taylor doesn't know what a sin is. Um he's he's wildly unfamiliar with the concept of sin uh theologically. He simply does not know what that is. Um, what are you saying? He wasn't raised Catholic? No, I was saying I'm saying he was definitely not raised Catholic. JC was, so he knows all about sin. And specifically, number three is he doesn't know what the seven deadly sins are. That's awesome. I need to get that out of the way immediately. I'm gonna do like a little bit of um I this is all then like pretext here. Um I'm I'm gonna do like a little bit of discussion on like Corey Taylor's quick biography so we can kind of get a sense of what he's talking about from here. Because a lot of the book is anecdotes, and I love the anecdotes. I Because I wanted this to be a m I I would have loved for this to be a memoir. Um but that's not what we got. Instead, we got his ramblings on sins interspersed between the stuff I want, these kernels of the parts of the book that I would have wanted. So I'm going to uh level with that with you now. Um Corey Taylor is born in the early 70s in in or near Des Moines, Iowa. Um he never talks in the book of if he knows who his dad is. I don't know if he knows who his father is. His dad is at no point in the picture. He's raised primarily by his mother, um, who is uh very unstable, it seems, emotionally and financially. Uh they move around a lot. Um at one point he he details a story in which um his mom moves to moves the family kind of on a whim. She gets like a word on like a job she can get. I think she's the secure the front gate security guard for Burt Reynolds in Florida.

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Okay.

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So she like up, she like moves their family to Florida, it's him and his sister. Um they she like works this job, she gets fired, they move back to Iowa, but very slowly because she doesn't have any money, and he says for like two months they're essentially homeless. Nice, okay. Um they move to uh they move to Waterloo, Iowa, which is in like the middle of nowhere. It's kind of a smallish town.

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It's Iowa, the whole state's in the middle of nowhere.

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The state's in the middle of nowhere. Um he grows up there. He has a chapter of the book called My Waterloo, and I wanted to break down this chapter a little bit right up top at the beginning, um, just to kind of um get this out of the way. When I was reading reviews for this book, books either the the reviews, like official reviews, either never mention this chapter when they dunk on this book, or they mention at the at the end, which to me is kind of a bummer. Um, I'm gonna throw a trigger warning here um for sexual assault. Go ahead and uh jump forward, like, I don't know, like three minutes or so. Corey Taylor moves to Waterloo, Iowa. Um, he details um he like find like for the first time in his life, he has a room of of his own um at like their new house. He gets there. It's not really a room, it's like an upstairs hall closet that doesn't have an outlet or a light.

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Nice.

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Um, so he details that he like because of this spends a majority of his time in Waterloo, Iowa outside. This is where he gets into a lot of trouble. Um he details um relentless bullying from the other children of Waterloo, Iowa. Uh he discusses because of this, he's very lonely. Uh he's befriended by an older kid. I think he mentions that he's like 10 and his older friend is like 15. Yep. Um, his friend sexually assaults him several times. Um and and he the he ends this chapter by kind of being like, I uh had a really hard life and uh I made it this is like the best I could be doing as the lead singer of these bands, making money. My life couldn't have turned out better than this as a person who's led my life. And I'm kind of inclined to agree with him. Um I wanted to bring this up here. I know this is like kind of um grim and it's uh it's a little dark, but to me, because I'm about to dunk on him for pretty much the rest of this book, um, and so it feels like I was I was like reading these reviews, and it felt bad to me that they're because they're the reviewers are dunking on this book. If you're like not like a guy who likes heavy metal and runs a radio show in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, this book is not for you.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Yeah.

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So like the reviewers are dunk wildly dunking on this book. Um, and then they'll be like, by the way, uh, here's a chapter he details. It's like, well, Jesus Christ. Dumb, dumb piece of shit. Also, by the way. Um, so I I just kind of wanted to uh detail that up front. This is also to me the best chapter, again, as somebody who would have loved a memoir. I think Cory Taylor has led an interesting life. Um I I think he's he's led a uh in in many ways a tragic life. Um, and he I do, like I said, I'm inclined to agree. I don't love Stone Sour or Slipknot, but I do think for the life he's had growing up in and into like his early 20s, this is the best he could be doing.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Yeah.

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Um we get into the book. Um it's the seven deadly sins. And Chloe, I'm still cream I'm still cr uh creaming? I'm still creaming. I'm still chromecasting here so that you can look at the cover of this book and if you could just do me a favor and kind of describe what you're looking at here. Okay, I'm ready.

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What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 27:20

Okay, description words. I know, I know, give me a second, I'm trying to take it in spiritually. If you went to a school with a video production class and you ever saw their shitty ass covers for their movies, it looks like that. We got I assume this is Corey Taylor.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

This is Corey Taylor.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

With a little demon headband on.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. He's got like a little hairband that's got devil horns on it.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Uh reflective aviators.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Hell yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

A cigarette in his mouth.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

The little scotch glass in his hand with a smug ass, fucking bald ass smirk.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Oh, he looks hella smug, dude.

SPEAKER_03 27:54

It looks like he's wearing what is supposed to be like a priest's collar.

SPEAKER_01 27:58

I can't tell. I I've been I've been seeing it as just like a uh just like a t-shirt or like a long-sleeve t-shirt with like a a white um collar piece.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

It's either like a douchebag wearing a white t-shirt with like a black sweater over top, or it's supposed to be a priest outfit, hard to say. Um the font in his name is I can only describe it as baby's first Dracula font.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

Yeah, it's a little gothic for sure.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

Um there are two quotes from reviews. One just says one hell of a read, and the other just says literally wild. Um so clearly, so clearly he he copied and pasted uh a total of uh six words out of some reviews to make it look like it was a good time.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Uh he makes sure to say a Sunday Times bestseller. That's not the New York Times. Very important to note.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

I don't know what the Sunday Times is.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Uh it it's it looks like the biggest piece of shit.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

It looks like a he he it looks like huge. This is a book for pieces of shit.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

This is this is a book for guys who are like, my fucking mom's a bitch. She made me go to high school and graduate.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Exactly. Um, I will say this cover really encapsulates what reading this book feels like. Dirty. Dirty, swarmy, smug. The book opens with an anecdote about him trying to have a threesome at a party.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

That has nothing to do with sin.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Well, yes, it does.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

I'm not sure what he's doing to those girls is, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

He he like refers, he's like, other partygoers might refer to this as the knight. And you're like, no, they don't, Corey. I don't know why you would think that, my man. Um he um his friends like punk him by uh they like know that he like they saw him go upstairs with uh two baddies, and so they're kind of like hiding downstairs and waiting to uh uh uh uh run upstairs and like spook him, which they do. Um they they they run in. Um he's he's so surprised he gets mad, but they're all laughing so hard that he uh is kind of like swept up by the vibes. Um he decides that what he's going to do is um he the the condom is on his uh uh member but unused, and so he kind of like um plastic glove style, just like pulls it off and then whists it into the crowd, and then he is planning to stand up and jump into the crowd and crowd surf out of the realm. Um but then he stands up and there's a ceiling fan going full blast, and it just uh cracks his head open and um he starts bleeding and he's covered in uh blood.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

And a condom.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

And a condom. And uh he says this is a sign that he knows a thing or two about sin.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

No, it doesn't. It shows you don't know how a ceiling fan works.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

Yeah, it shows that uh you you used to get really drunk. Used to be used to be sloppy-style drunk all the time. Um his his his general point in this introductory chapter is that the seven deadly sins are like used to keep us down as determined by wealthy church leaders hundreds of years ago, and it's time to admit that they are bullshit. Um this is going to be a general theme, I say, throughout this episode. Um, Corey, you're not a Christian. You don't have to do these. You don't have to follow the seven deadly sins. Yeah, they're i'm not Muslim and I eat pork all the time.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he um he gets into them. Great. I'm sure he has only great takes.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

He has only good takes on the sins. He really understands what they are, and he understands their definitions as words. Great. Our first sin is wrath.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

Okay. Um Stacy, can you remind us what wrath is?

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Uh as like a sin or as like a word?

SPEAKER_03 32:14

As a sin.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Um as a sin, wrath is going to be uh extreme anger to the point of violence, uh uh primarily towards like innocence.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

Like me. So you were wrathful towards me when you rage bait me.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

I'm kind of wrathful towards you when I rage bait you.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

No, okay, okay, okay, good. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure we had that example.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Uh he opens this chapter up by saying, as he does with as he's going to do with many of these, he goes, get him mad? That's a sin. And you're like, yeah, I guess. I don't know. Um he opens up with a weird diatribe about movie theater nachos. And he's like, they're not even real nachos. It's supposed to be this beautiful layered, uh, uh uh, it's it's supposed to be this beautiful layered uh decadent, and it's supposed to have um crumbled uh ground beef or chorizo and uh jalapenos and and and like melted like fresh cheese. Um and he's like, and what they have at the movie theater is like melted velvet that you put over um stale corn chips. Um my notes in my Kindle for this section is um just uh is this a West Coast thing? I've never seen nachos at the movie theater.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

You guys don't have nachos at movie theaters out here?

SPEAKER_01 33:30

No.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

Oh yeah, we have nachos at movie theaters.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

No, not that I can think of. I I haven't I don't even think I've seen them in Kansas.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

Okay, uh, family spent summers. It's tortilla chips that are always round.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Uh in like a little cardboard box with melty velvet cheese on it.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:49

Or sometimes like a little dip.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

And they say and and according to him, they sound nasty.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

They are.

SPEAKER_01 33:55

They're big gross.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

They are, but I mean, let's be honest here, oh, movie theater food is kind of gross.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah, it's it's all kind of weird and gross. Um yeah, so I I like don't get this as a reference, his nachos diatribe. But yeah, sure, that sounds gross, dude.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

Um sneak sneaking candy.

SPEAKER_03 34:13

Yeah, the thing is you don't have to buy the nachos.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Yeah, you don't have to get that. You can go home and make nachos. I do love the idea, because now I'm thinking about it, and like what nachos are supposed to be seems like it would be difficult to consume in the theater.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Like it seems like it would be significantly messier.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

Yeah, you're dropping chips and cheese and beef, and so everything's all over you.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Yeah, there's like there's ground beef all over the floor.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

The the poor like hourly minimum wage high schoolers pissed as fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Oh my god. That'd be awful. Um, but so then he he the Corey Taylor does this thing in each of these where he misunderstands what the word means, and then he gets upset about what the misunderstanding is.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

He is not a smart boy, he's from the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Um, so for this one, like I said, he he thinks wrath is just like when you get mad. He's like, getting mad is a sin.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

No, no.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

You're like, well, no, Cory. No, Corey. Um, so he he says that he thinks that like rage or anger is a natural and productive feeling. Um it can be cathartic and it feels nice to let out those emotions.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

That's not what wrath is, Corey.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

That's that's literally every one of my uh every one of almost every one of my notes about these is oh, that's just that's just not what that word means.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

We need to get this boy a fucking dictionary.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yeah, again, he just doesn't know what a sin is.

SPEAKER_03 35:55

This 50-year-old man really needs a dictionary.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

He'll usually follow this up with an anecdote, and then he kind of rambles until um he's done with this chapter. For this one, our anecdote is a story in which um his mom is staying with her friend. Her friend is um has a boyfriend. I don't remember their names. He also like gives fake names, so it doesn't matter anyway. Um, but basically, he th finds the mom's friend to be a morally objectionable person and says that her boyfriend is kind of like this sweet guy who um takes care of him and his sister as well as the mom's friend's children uh by another man. Right. Um so then um she like he he's like he's this guy is kind of a saint, this boyfriend is a saint, and um his girlfriend, the mom's uh Corey's mom's friend, um, like yells at him a lot, um, and he like doesn't do anything until one night um the mom's friend comes home drunk, she like kicks open the door to their trailer, and um she uh this like upsets the boyfriend so much that he like immediately punches her in the face, she staggers back into the yard, and then he starts kicking her. Um he he like chokes her at one point.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

Okay. Um and he's like, This is cathartic and good, or like what's the what's your takeaway, Cory?

SPEAKER_01 37:30

That's what's really confusing is you're like, Well, yeah, this seems like this that this seems like a sin, Cory.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

Corey, you just describe domestic abuse.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Yeah, this seems like something I would consider a sin, my man. Um his view is basically that like um you can't get upset at the emotion. It's the person that does it. But you kind of have this moment where you're like, yeah, but then like how would you define sins? You would just point at that guy, yeah, that guy punching his girlfriend in the head, that's kind of a sin. You'd be like, so punching your girlfriend in the head is a sin, and they'd be like, No, no, no, we can't say that. I don't, I'm not saying that.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

So I I want to go back to this concept of Corey Taylor doesn't know what a sin is.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Okay, does he at any point in time attempt to define what he thinks a sin is? Like how it works? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:21

Nope.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

So I think that's kind of probably the main issue beyond the he doesn't understand what words mean, is he doesn't know what a sin is, so he doesn't understand that like a sin is not like it's it's a com okay, it seems simple because we're in a uh Christian society, yeah. Um, but it's a it's a complicated concept.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Yeah, it it it is in general a moral transgression as defined by a a church or organized religion um establishing this moral framework.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Um I I I think there's something to be said for sins are bullshit, man. Um for for for a lot of them, I I don't I don't have like a lot of love for like the Catholic Church. So I'm a lot of this is going to sound like I'm defending religion and being like they know what they're talking about, Corey, shut up. But like I don't even think that. The problem I have is that Corey doesn't know what he's talking about, and he's talking with a lot of confidence.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

He's a white middle-aged man.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

Yes. Um, I also want to come back to the story he tells, and this is going to be kind of a recurring theme throughout this book, which is the way Corey tells these stories, and you can kind of tell that he hasn't reanalyzed how he interpreted it when he was like eight.

SPEAKER_03 39:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

So, like, with this guy, he's like, this this this boyfriend was super sweet and he was super nice, and you're like, well, yeah, to you. But like you were eight. Like, he describes the mom's friend as somewhere in the book, he describes her as like a hole for men to fill.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Hey, that's misogynistic, King. King, no.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

He's like super hateful about this woman. And I'm not even saying she's a good person, but he's like, yeah, this other guy, he's like sweet to me and my sister. He raised his girlfriend's children even though they weren't his. And you can kind of tell he just hasn't reanalyzed this to consider. Well, yeah, Corey, if you date a woman with children, you kind of have to take care of her kids. It's insane to date a woman and then be like, well, I'm not gonna watch your kids. Uh especially because people aren't usually like there there's there's not usually like a straw that breaks the camel's back that leads to um insanely physical domestic violence.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

No, no, no, no. That's something that was already happening. You just didn't know because you were eight, Corey. Yeah, I also okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna come out the gate here with some crazy opinions. Okay?

SPEAKER_04 41:03

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

I think a man that is cruel to women but kind to children is not being kind to children out of the goodness of his heart.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

I think if a man is cruel to women but kind to children, there is malicious intent at play.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Do you think there's mali I don't even think that. I think what it says is that you are more I I don't even think that. I think it's more that you are more willing to see the humanity in a child than you are just a lady. Just a woman. You're like, I refuse to acknowledge that her humanity more so than I'm willing to acknowledge the humanity of this child.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

I my father was is cruel to women.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

But he always liked to try to play up that he was kind to children.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Okay. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

And it was because children are useful in spreading information.

SPEAKER_01 41:58

What do you mean, spreading information?

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Did you meet that man? He's so funny, he's so great, he's so much fun to play with, he makes everyone laugh, he's a good guy. Like they share what they perceive easily without a lot of requests.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

So my father became the fun dad in the neighborhood while not having people take seriously when we were like, no, he's pretty shitty. They were like, no, he's the fun dad. Like you guys don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

He's the fun dad in our neighborhood. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 42:28

So it kind of it's like a these these children are human shields on his uh on his his opinion in the world.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Yeah, so it like I said, this is a memory that maybe Cory needs to throw back in the in the incubator and just cook it a little longer. Without the eyes of a child, with your adult eyeballs, Corey. He can't take a look at this.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

He can't, and you know it.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Um he does he does this a lot where he'll be like, how could rage be a sin when the real sinner beats their kids? Um that's the sin of wrath, Corey.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

Hey, buddy, hey buddy, hey buddy. You know what gets children beat?

unknown 43:09

Wrath.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

It's wrath. It's wrath. He also says, uh uh, or a murderer that mangles a victim so badly they can't be recognized. Um, which I want to say is us also a sin and also specific.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Also, do you that's called wrath.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

His last one's my favorite, which is a teacher that lets his negative feelings about children affect his quality of work. Buddy.

SPEAKER_03 43:36

Oh, you're tattletaling.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Which isn't a sin or against the law. Like it. Like it sounds like you just had a bad teacher. You just had like a teacher that wasn't very fulfilled with their job.

SPEAKER_03 43:49

Also, Corey, it sounds like you might have been kind of a piece of shit in school, and the teacher just got fucking tired of you constantly being a piece of shit in school.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Do you have I I love uh Um like this type of guy, these like dirt bags, um, who will like tell you about like oh like teachers hated me in school uh because I just like knew too much, and then they'll like talk about like um I could like see like the loopholes of what they were saying, and I could like I I could like call them on their bullshit, and then like they describe what they're they mean, and you realize it's just like a a a child just every single day causing insane disruptions in a classroom, and you're like, Yeah, your teacher's probably pretty sick sick of you for sure, dude.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I knew a lot of kids like this where they'd be like, dude, like this fucking teacher doesn't even fucking get it. It's like, I don't know. I think maybe they just don't like you because you keep calling them bitch.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:43

Like, pretty sure it's not that deep, homie, but alright.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Yeah, it's probably because they're trying to tell you about, I don't know, the renaissance, and you will not stop talking. Yeah, I kind of think you're a pain in the ass too, but Or even better, uh, you're in like geometry class and your teacher is tr just trying to explain like the formula for finding the um volume of a cube, and you're in the back going, When am I ever gonna fucking use this? It's fucking bullshit. Dude, what the fuck? Um He closes out this chapter by with an insane rant, um, that you and you the listener and I are the reason he gets so mad because the rest of the human population makes him angry, and that makes him a sinner. Which um once again, no, it doesn't. Uh our next sin.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

Oh, Jesus, okay. I'm I'm already kind of over his ass, but like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

Lust. He knows about it, bro. Hell yes, he does. Fucking! And that's a sin. That's pretty much the whole chapter. You can't fuck. Um Cory. Stop it. You're embarrassing me. He says that lust is a productive force because everything men do is for pussy. Like Napoleon and stuff. You think Napoleon Shut up, shut up.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

I'm processing, I'm processing.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

You think Napoleon wanted to create an empire for for like ambition or and and like a hunger for power? No, it was um because he wanted to get some freaking gash, man.

SPEAKER_03 46:26

Okay, we're gonna have to have a serious conversation later about your use of the term gash. Um that's a sin! Yeah, that definitely is. Um men only do things for pussy. Is Corey Taylor married?

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Uh at the time of writing this, yes, he's he's uh married to his first wife.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Is he still married?

SPEAKER_01 46:53

To a different wife.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

I guess he only did it for pussy.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

He only did it. He's Slipknot is just for I mean, to be fair, the way he talks throughout this chapter, you are you do kind of get the vibe that, like, yeah, I guess he does do a lot of stuff for pussy.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Yeah, but that's because he's a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

For sure. For sure. Um, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He adds he adds like a bunch of caveats. He's like, um uh lust isn't rape or molestation. Which is true. That's that's true. But those things are also sins, Corey. Those things are also mad sins. Also, once again, I must point out You can have as much sex as you want, Corey. You're not Christian. You don't have to do this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Also, even then, that's lust is not it that horniness is not the issue here. I just want to make sure everyone's aware the horniness is not the sin of lust.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

I once in college, um Yeah, tell me about your Catholic days, white boy. No, no, no, no, no. Um, read uh it was like a scholarly article um in a sociology class.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

Or it's an anthropology class, about um the origin of um like kosher laws. Yeah. In in like ancient uh Judea. And it talks about like there's a there's like this anthropological theory that the reason that like, for example, um pigs are banned in kosher law is because um uh pigs are would be extr the raising uh pork and raising pigs would be extremely detrimental to the landscape and environment of an ancient uh Judea, an ancient Levant. Um and so the religious scholars kind of add this like and also no pork because pork would be, and so I kind of when I see stuff like this, I try to imagine like what would be like a religious scholar's impetus at kind of like a um a more rational sense, yes with like just adding like for like you know like in your uneducated masses, um like yeah, you can't do that, God said so. Um and so for this one the the the one that comes to mind a lot is if you're like an ancient person and you know that people who fuck a lot, nasty style, um, get like these really horrendous diseases that you have no real way of treating because um you don't even wipe your ass. Um you would just be like, yeah, you can't don't yeah, you can't fuck nobody. I like that that's you can't fuck anybody until you're married and you know that you're the only one that have had sex with each other, so nobody gets nasty style diseases.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

I like that that's where your mind goes. That's not where mine went.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

My thought was Okay, famously in traditional Islamic law, okay, you're allowed to have multiple wives.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Hell yes.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Only if you are able to financially support every single one of them equally and any children you have.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Yeah, and that's like the that's like a point of interpretation within Islam.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Yes. So my thought would have been lust is bad because if you have many babies outside of marriage, you're not supporting those many babies and those many women and those many babies.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

So you now just have a bunch of women who are abandoned by their families with babies in a position which puts a lot of onus on society and the pre-welfare of Europe or the Levant or anywhere at the time, and it just kind of creates a really bad domino effect of a downfall of society.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Have you considered that it's like fucking bullshit, man? He, of course, has several anecdotes about this chapter. Um, they're all like uh mildly unorthodox sex he has, and then he finishes the orthodox the anecdote by going, and that's a sin.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

Um I like that he's basically just doing a bunch of like airplane food jokes bits like over and over again.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Yeah, exactly. Uh the chapter opens with a story about him having four women pee on him backstage after a show.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

Hey, Corey, quick question there.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

But but in a way that it doesn't even feel so like he doesn't at least like they don't like pee on him and then he fucks he fucks them. It's just like a situation where like he's in a bathtub, or he's in like a tub, and then they pee on him, and he's like, This is awesome. He just got he's he's like this is pretty cool, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

That's really brave of you to say out loud, Corey. However, no one asked.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Yeah, and that's a sin.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Uh, you telling me actually might be, yeah. I think you you outwardly being like, uh, them girls pee pee on me and I love it, mate. That's definitely a sin. I'm sorry, King.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

Uh, and another anecdote he talks about he um in 1995, he decides to move to Denver to try to get more famous. He's been doing shows with his band Stone Sour. Um they they haven't like gotten like a lot of uh a lot of fame. So he decides to bad name.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

That's why Stone Tower's a bad name.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Pretty bad. Pretty bad. Uh he decides to move to Denver. He's like Denver, I mean like for the Midwest, that's kind of the big city. Um, or at least his part of the Midwest. Um so he moves to Denver. Um he's he he's he's fucking on a bunch of women.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Um he's getting pissed on by a bunch of women. Hell yeah, he is.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Um he mentions he again kind of just doesn't like reevaluate this. Mentions that he's kind of just not telling women that he's not looking for anything long term. So he's like fucking on a bunch of women and then having to like dodge their calls.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

Oh, you're a bad person.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

Um he goes to he goes to a party, and at this party, two of the women he's been fucking on see him and then see each other, and they're they're both like, uh, you fucked me and then you never call me back. And they're like, wait, what do you mean he fucked you and then didn't call you back? He fucked me and then didn't call me back. And then they start fighting over him.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Don't fight over trash.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

And then they start fighting him, and um That's the move, baby girl.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

Fight that fight that loser.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

And then he slips and falls, and he like falls against the countertop in the kitchen at this house, and it um gashes open his arm, and uh the medical bills wipe out his savings from moving to Denver, and he has to move back to Des Moines. Uh he finishes this anecdote by instead of his usual, and that's a sin, he says, and when I got back, I restarted Stone Sour, and then I uh used my uh regional fame auditioning for Stone Sour to audition for this other more famous band in the area, Slipknot, uh, whose singer had recently left. Um, and then uh thanks to Lust, Slipknot exists.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Slipknot already existed.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

Well yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

Slipknot already existed, Corey.

SPEAKER_01 54:09

Yeah, it's uh yeah, he wasn't there for their they're um they had like an original lead singer. Uh apparently you can like uh find their original lead singer on some of um their like really, really, really early demos of their first album, but I didn't bother looking them up because that's not what I'm doing here.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Uh yeah, no, you're not. You're you're doing other important things.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

Yeah, uh that guy didn't write a book about the seven deadly sins.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

And thank God for it.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Um he does add that um gay shit definitely shouldn't be a sin.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Um he's like, their love is beautiful. Um, love is love, love who you love. And I just wrote that down because um that's pretty progressive for a metal guy from the 2000s.

SPEAKER_03 54:54

Our third sin is vanity. A man who wears that much makeup in a music video should know a little something about vanity, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 55:05

This one's unique in that in the rest of them, or in a lot of the rest of them, uh the misunderstanding we have is that Corey like misunderstands what the word is.

SPEAKER_03 55:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

And then like gets mad at like the new word that he's made up.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

And he's like, and and you can't do that. With this one, he just puts it in the title. I've looked everywhere, and I cannot find a version of the seven deadly sins where one of the sins is vanity. I think he means pride.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

I even because I had up until this point assumed that he got his seven deadly sins from the movie Seven.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

That's really funny and probably correct.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

So I looked it up.

SPEAKER_03 55:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

I I looked up Seven Dead the Seven Deadly Sins in the movie Seven. Right. And in the movie it's pride. So I don't know where he gets vanity.

SPEAKER_03 56:05

Because this whole book is prideful of him, and then he'd have to confront his own moral flaws.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Um, anyway, he spends a good chunk of this section um getting mad at random pop culture figures.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

You well, uh uh I think we should touch on some of the pop culture figures because you read this to me, and I had to make you remind me of when he wrote this several times, because he's like 2011.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

Worst case scenario, he's writing this in 2009.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

Uh, it seems like he writes this very quickly, so I'd like- I would guess 2010.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

He's yelling about like Paris Hilton.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

Yeah, that's why he's in this chapter, he's real mad about Paris Hilton.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

And like, there's no reason for that because Paris Hilton at this time has like all but disappeared from society.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Yeah, I don't I don't know that Paris Hilton is like a real timely reference on this in court.

SPEAKER_03 56:51

No, and and he's talking about like Heidi Montag, he's talking about We'll get to that one later. He's talking about like all of these celebrities that were like really, really big in like 2002, which is like, dude, what the f like I need you I need you to take several deep breaths when I tell you you are an old man.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

I uh I forgot to mention it, but in the in the intro chapter, part of his like um explanation for why he's writing this book is he's like, and if Paris Hilton can write a book, then I can for sure write a book. You're like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

I know more Paris Hilton songs than I do slipknot songs.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

I didn't know she had. I I know of Paris Hilton.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

Stars are blind, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

I only know of Paris Hilton, because Paris Hilton is like one of those people she was like the first of the um celebrities in the 2000s that um were under the moniker of like um people famous for being famous.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

Uh no, she was she's an incredibly wealthy heiress.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Is she?

SPEAKER_03 57:52

She's an heiress of the Hilton Hotels.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

Oh the Hilton Hotels, that makes sense. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

She's the granddaughter of the person we started.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

And if she can write a book, I could write a book, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 58:02

And she's nowadays she's also a a polit a political influencer, for lack of a better term. Uh uh, she's a DJ, she's a mom.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

She was a fashion designer or perfume person, she did a cosmetics line. She's I mean, she was the original Kardashian, right? Like that is, she won she the Kardashians literally copied her. Um yeah, kind of kind of copying her style. They literally they did. Um, but but she had more business ventures going in any given time than Corey Hart could imagine. He was too busy. Corey Taylor, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Corey Hart is a gem. How dare you? Corey Taylor could imagine he he touched uh the beautiful women of Kansas in a way that nobody's nobody can describe. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 58:45

Um Corey Taylor uh is is too busy like bothering women and like lying to them about like why they should have sex with him.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

I d oh, I hate men.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Um most of this chapter has been talking about how annoying vain people can be.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

You're wearing so much makeup in that music, my brother in Christ.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Um, here's a uh here's a list of people that he thinks are vain. Oh god. Um he said he has this in scare quotes. I truly don't know what he means by this, but quote unquote experts.

SPEAKER_03 59:20

Doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

I I don't know what you mean, but do you mean like scholars? Do you mean like academics? Uh in what way?

SPEAKER_03 59:28

Yeah, I I don't know, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

I mean like yeah, some of them for sure. Um Californians.

SPEAKER_03 59:36

He just the whole of California. Just the whole just the whole of California.

SPEAKER_01 59:40

The whole of California, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Um women in general.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Okay, so that's misogyny.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Oh my god, can you imagine if you're a Californian woman with a PhD a California woman with a PhD? You're like the most vain. You explode with vanity. You're worse than Paris Hilton to hell. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

I I'm gonna find this man and beat him with a shovel.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

Hell yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

I don't think Corey Taylor's allowed to have opinions.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

No, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

I don't think I think Corey Pay Paler, Corey Paler uh should have to pay me for the bullshit he put out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Um he does add, after um he says women are vain, he adds that men are also vain, they're just not as good at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

The slow head. No notes there? No notes there. I uh I uh Jay C. You love to bring in books that just make me want to fucking kill people. You love to be like this book is the one we're talking about today. It's called the dumb bitch uh of California. Anyway, let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

I didn't know he would talk this much about Californians, but um Don't say facts. I was I was delighted when he started bringing it up.

unknown 1:01:04

I bet you were.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

I'm just saying he never said uh uh dudes from rural Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

Yeah, no shit, he never said dudes from rural Virginia. Oh my god. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

Um he does have an anecdote for this one. Um great. Uh he tells an anecdote about a fading star that came backstage at a slipknot concert and um was like ordering people around. Um he he had he came with like an entourage of bimbos. Corey's word, not mine. Um he he was like requesting drinks. He asked Corey for a drink. He's like, Can you grab me a drink? And and Corey freaking um tells him off. Um he's like, you can he's like, you and your annoying bimbos can get out of here. And this fading star whose he doesn't name. Um I I tried to look it up. I tried to look up this story to see if anybody uh had talked about who this guy is. Um and uh nobody ever says. Um probably because he made him up. Because he made him up. Um and then so this guy goes, uh, like, do you know who I am? Uh, which is how I know you uh it that this is how I know it's not it's not a real story. Do you know who I am is something they write into movies so like the main character who you think is good can like really own them with like a kick-ass line. Facts and logics. And and and that's and that's um what Corey does here. This guy says, Do you know who I am? And he's like, You're the guy getting kicked out of my fucking show. And uh then he gets uh kicked out of his fucking show. Yeah, he gets kicked out of his fucking show. Um it's a boring one. Uh certainly not a good anecdote. This is um, like I mentioned, there are like clearly three or four sins Corey Taylor is interested in writing. This clearly isn't one of them. This chapter is kind of just rambling. He's just like going, he's he just it's just like goes up and down. He's just talking. He's like, and uh that shouldn't be a sin. And you're like, okay. I don't know, I don't I don't know what you want me to do about this.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

I find it kind of funny that there is zero internal introspection in any shape, way, or form. And like I know I shouldn't expect introspection, like, why would there be with this fucking loser? But I I just how are you gonna be like this fake story about a fake celebrity is so vain, which isn't a sin. But also don't look at me too hard with my backstage fucking bitches at party, uh, eyeliner on, make sure I look good in the music video. It's just because I knew he was gonna talk about vanity, and like why why? Why'd you need eyeliner, Corey? Corey, why'd you need that?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

He he does mention he is kind of um forward about the fact that he himself is um i i is vain. Then maybe you should shut the fuck up, loser. But I think this is part of it, right? Like he his take, if you could call it that, I'm not on on this is that vanity is annoying and and it's boring, but it's not a sin. And you're like, okay. Corey, can you define a sin for me real quick? I I don't I uh this this is where I think I should mention that um in my initial conception of this episode, I would like sin after sin, I would like talk about like what he says, his thoughts, his ideas, his anecdotes, and then I would read from the copy of my that my uh my catechism that I have, I would read like the official definition of each sin. But like he doesn't care. No, like he doesn't he doesn't care enough to look up what the sins are. So like it's silly of me to look up what the sins are and like read them off like I'm really getting him. Like that's that it's like pointless. I think it's much more frankly devastating to just go like, yeah, I don't know what he's talking about, and it's dumb and also boring.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:12

It's dumb, also that's what it already is.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

I during the during a lot of the middle sins that he talks about, I'm really flipping through the chapters. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You all you sick, you got him so good by kicking him out of your show. Next next sin, Cory.

unknown 1:05:29

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

Kidding his ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Yeah, like it just it just it doesn't matter. It doesn't it doesn't matter like what the actual sin of pride is meant to mean. Or even frankly, even wrath. Although wrath is the one he misunderstands the most.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:46

Um our next sin is Sloth.

unknown 1:05:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

Corey opens up this chapter by being annoyed he has to write about the sin of sloth.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:59

Corey you didn't have You did who's making you? Hey, quick question, King. Who's putting a gun to your head?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

This is something YouTubers do a lot, where like YouTubers will like be like, I'm watching uh every uh uh uh Fast and Furious backwards, and then like after like the third one, they'll be like, Oh, why am I doing this to myself? You're like, I why are you asking me? I don't know. I I am not holding the key to your cage. You can make a different video. I didn't expect this. Um it it it's annoying to me that he's doing this. It's like a pet peeve I have that he's like, I have to write about sloth. Yeah, I guess. You chose the seven deadly sins. I picked the seven deadly sins.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:40

You could have chosen five out of the seven if you really wanted to. There is literally no one forcing you to choose all seven. Um this one, uh uh Mega Rambles.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:50

Nice. Um he says he's like he's like, for those of you who don't know, sloth is extreme laziness.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

Um like you're doing with this book writing.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:05

Yeah, that's half true for sure. Um his main argument here is he also hates laziness, but having a lazy day to have a little rest and relax is healing sometimes. That just isn't a sin.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:19

That's not what anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

It's not a sin to take a mental health day, Corey.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:23

I like that we're all on like a first name basis, and that's just being like, I read this book! No! I read the book!

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

No. I read the book, I get to be on first name basis. If he wants to respond to this podcast episode, he may call me JC. Um he he he he puts in a claim here. He says this sin's origins are because people used to work way more tilling the fields and whatnot. And um sloth isn't a sin of the modern day, uh because we we um we work less.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:59

Corey, that's actually a really interesting fact there. Uh so untrue. So, Corey, we actually have way less vacation time than modern uh uh than medieval peasants did, but I love that you don't understand that. So, Short King, totally.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

Yeah, also I don't get an off-season for harvest. Or just vibes. Yeah, I don't I don't get to like um I don't I don't have like any like meaningful downtime. Yeah this is just something he This is just something he says. I don't know why at several points he really lambasts the concept of watching American Idol. Which again, this book was written in 2011.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

He's really concerned about American Idol taking his career from him.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:46

I don't know how. I don't think anybody winning American Idol is singing like a in like a an alt metal band.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:55

They're not, but they could easily be the ones called in to replace him in an interview like he did with the original singer.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

But God, that's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:04

Um so he like um he he says that uh sloth lets people do important things like vote in American Idol auditions. American Idol came on in like at like 7 p.m. People are like off work, Corey.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

Yeah, we're gonna need to have a handful of conversations about this one, King.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

It's uh Corey says that it's easier for women to be slothful because men have always had to do the work, but women had to fight for their right to work, and that's great for you ladies, and that's like so good for you ladies, but like why don't you ever give us our flowers as men? That's Corey's words, not mine. I'm gonna kill you too. I want you to say thank you to Corey right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:54

Hey Corey. Corey Corey Taylor. Uh kill yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Say thank you to Corey for for for for appreciating your your your civil rights.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:04

My civil rights?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

Yes. He he so he so appreciates that you have the right to work now. I also want to throw out here, and this is just me, um, I I just want to throw out here Okay Um I don't want to brag, but I've read like feminist theory.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:20

Ooh, watch out, he's got that feminist.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:22

Um and this isn't true. Women have kind of always had the right to work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

They did that was like extremely like I wouldn't call it a right, it was more like a legal requirement to work.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:33

Yeah, a financial requirement to to work. They've always had that. Do you think Corey sees like those like old-timey photographs of like women working in like a sweatshop in like Boston? Because you're welcome. Yeah, yeah. You're welcome, ladies. Now you understand how I feel as a man who's never had a real job.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

He's looking at the triangle way shirt factory, going, uh, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Corey Taylor, I don't think he ever mentions having a job in this book. Um like when he talks about like how he got money, it's always like stealing or uh uh being in Slipknot.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

I can't express the amount of like. Are you serious? This guy is I'm awesome. I see why you're obsessed with him. He sounds like the worst guy from your hometown.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

He's he's not I I cannot stop thinking about him.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:29

This is your this is your new man?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

Yeah, this is my man. Um he doesn't think Sloth is a sin, but it is offensive to him. And that's important. He describes it as a gateway sin. Um, like how weed gets you into fentanyl.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

No, no, no, no, no. I know about that, I know about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

Um he like describes this like situation where like um uh sloth with other sins creates new permutations of sin. Um so like um sloth with where is it? Yeah, sloth with gluttony creates heroin addiction.

unknown 1:12:08

Huh?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

And sloth sloth with lust creates porn addiction. Those are his only two examples of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:16

Hey, I want you to combine together sloth and wrath.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I like the idea of combining all the sins together to like create new mega sin. To create new sins. Alright, yeah, what a uh what's um what's greed and wrath? What's wrath and lust?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:31

Greed and wrath is capitalism.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:33

Big facts.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

Ooh, snap on that one, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:35

Snap on that one, bitch. Um He doesn't have an anecdote for this one. This is clearly one he didn't want to write. He had to write it because uh he It's part of the seven because I made him you put you put the pencil in his hand and you say, right, bitch. You and I and you the listener made him write this write this dumbass book and he had to write about sin. He had to write about uh uh sloth. Whatever one. Who cares? Who cares? Uh the next sin is envy.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:04

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

Um he describes this as like um general jealousy.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:09

I don't believe that's what envy is.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

It's not. Who cares?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:17

Okay, we've reached that point. Yeah, we've reached the point. Who cares? That's not what that means. Who gives a shit? We're almost done with this dumbass book.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

JC's flipping 30 pages at a time.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:28

I'm like so tired of this book. Yeah, I'm like slamming the next page button on my Kindle. I'm blasting past all the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah, we get it, Corey. Um, he's like, uh uh envy is like uh we America's perfected envy because of advertising, which creates envy. Um uh because advertising shows like people have like a better life than you, and it's because um uh they use like um a special type of perfumed tampon or whatever. JC um and they're like, look how look how beautiful this woman's life is. She's like running and stuff, and you don't run, and um your your tampons have no perfume.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:08

Okay, JC, I need you to break down what envy is supposed to be. Not not the not the tamp the tampon one, but like real. What's it what's it supposed to be?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:17

What's the sin meant to be?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:19

Um the the sin itself is um generally meant to be like a um you know how like a lot of the uh uh a lot of the commandments are like thou shalt not covet.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:30

Envy is like coveting. Um it it that's pretty much it. It's coveting to the point of action. Um that's kind of the and it like um the point of a lot of the seven deadly sins is and I'm gonna talk about this a lot more later, but like in like its initial form, they're meant to be stuff that kind of like sneaks up on you and like wears away at your soul or whatever, um, in like a religious way. And and so envy is like because you're you're like so consumed with your envy for someone else's life, someone else's wife, um, someone else's material belongings, etc. You're kind of not thinking about God and Jesus and stuff. That's like the that's like the gist of it in a religious way. Again, it doesn't matter. Corey Taylor doesn't see it that way. No, so like he doesn't address it that way. He's like, yeah, it's kind of being jealous, and you're like, yeah, whatever. Sure. Sure. Sure. You I'm so jealous. Big facts. Um, I do want to point out though that advertising spurs no action.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

Like it it gets you to buy something, but it doesn't get you to take from others. That's not like, yeah, exactly. That's not that's not theft. That's not true.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

You know what advertising makes you do? Capitalists taking from your pockets.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:56

Taking from your pockets, it's their envy.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:57

Your hard-earned wages.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:59

Um He spends a lot of this chapter kind of implying that um if you have wants or ambitions, um, that's envy.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

Oh no, baby girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:10

Yeah, but it's not. That's just desire and ambition. It's not, it's not like you know it's not like overtly a sin. He does this thing throughout the book where he'll be like, um that's not a sin, but then or like that shouldn't be a sin, but then he'll add like all this like nuance, and it's it's like nuance on nuance on nuance. But then like when he talks about like what he thinks, and it's like, well, kind of, there's like nuance there as well. You could just like turn it around. And again, later in this book, I'll really get into that because I have some thoughts about one of his last chapters. Okay. Um he reveals in not so many words that he's kind of sensitive about the fact that Slipknot won a Grammy, but just in the metal category, in the metal performance category, and he he kind of implies that it feels like a hollow victory. It feels kind of like a participation trophy to him, and he wanted to win a more all-encompassing category. Um, right, it's like Corey, you play a niche genre of music.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:10

Well, it's also like you play a niche genre of music, but on top of that, you're not very good. Like, okay, I want a million dollars, and just because you want something doesn't mean you get it. Yeah, just enjoy your Grammy, my man. Hey, uh if you think uh You can put it on your resume, you can say hell yeah. If you think envy is so bad, but these these sins are stupid, how about you envy actually earning it? How about that, my guy?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:39

How about you envy to the point of earning uh an a a full Grammy? That would be incredible, wouldn't it? I did look up who won the who won the uh full Grammy. I don't know, I don't watch the Grammys.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:51

Like the album of the year, the artist of the year?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:52

Yeah, or he won for um or Slipknot won a Grammy for Metal Performance of the Year. So I looked up who won like Song of the Year, and it was a U2 song. So like got me there, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:05

I too would be angry at that. Yeah, I I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:08

One of his anecdotes for this is um about getting stuff he wanted for Christmas when he was a kid. Okay. Um this is during his time uh living in I can't remember where he lives in Florida. I want to say it's Fort Lauderdale, but I can't remember. Okay, that's chill. He he live he lives in Florida, he gets stuff for Christmas, but then his mom like can't doesn't have like the funds to like move them back to Iowa when she loses that job with Burt Reynolds. I think it's Burt Reynolds. Who cares? Who cares? Um, and so she pawns all of his Christmas presents.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

He talks about like envy kind of goes away in survival situations because they were homeless. Um, I don't get what he's trying to say with this anecdote. I don't either. I don't I don't know what the envy is here. I don't he see he says like envy goes out the window in the face of survival, but you're like, okay, what are we talking about? I've could I'm confused how this is fitting into your larger narrative. Yeah. I mean, like, look, uh cool, cool anecdote, and like I'm really sorry that happened to you. That sounds really shitty. What are you saying, my man?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:18

Yeah, I yeah, wait, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:20

Uh good for him, I guess. Uh he tells another anecdote about thinking he'd never be a good singer.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:26

He's not.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

Because he couldn't sing like Steven Tyler.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:29

Um to me as someone who heard him on Slipknot, I'm not I'm not going wowzers. That's incredible, King.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:36

I think he's a good I think he's a good singer for the type of music he's trying to create, and I say good for him.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:41

I don't like the type of music he's trying to create, so I will always say okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:48

Um to me, the this like talk this like discussion of envy over like not being able to sing like Steven Tyler t to me is a normal bit of like artistic identity. Like, yeah, like sure, when you're 12 and you can't sing like Steven Tyler, yeah, that's I'm sure that's very devastating. But then like you develop your own style. Yes. Like you don't you you don't sing like Steven Tyler, but you sing like Corey Taylor, and like you and you want a Grammy for that. And you want a Grammy for that, and I can't take that away from you.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:20

Okay, I got a quick question for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:21

Hit me with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:21

Is Corey Taylor his legal name?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:25

He couldn't have changed that to anything cooler.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:27

What would you change it to?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:28

Girl, Corey Taylor? That's a country star.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:32

That would be a cool country star.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:34

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

That's he could change it to Corey Hart. Corey Hart. He could do slipknot covers of um sunglasses at night and never surrender.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:43

Okay, he could uh uh uh Corey Slayer even works better, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

Corey Slayer.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:51

It's cheesy, but it works better.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:53

Um I I also think you're forgetting he has other names he goes by. Number eight, the great big mouth. He's kind of the great big mouth.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:04

You're the great big mouth in this house, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

Big facts.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:08

Um Does he have children?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

Yes, he has two. No. He has two he has two sons. One of them is like one of them's an adult.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:16

Well, I'm glad they're sons, because if they were daughters, he'd have to learn to respect women, and that would be really miserable for him. Big facts.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

I'm going to end this by saying he also describes a type of envy that married men feel talking to their single friends.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:29

Um, which is very the game of him.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:31

Is it something you feel, JC? No, girl. Okay. Well, you said married men, I just have to be sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:37

I when I talk to my single friends, I feel like losers. I feel like I slay way more pussy than them. I hate that you just said that. Anyway, also on average, uh, married people have more sex than single people.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

That's very true. You know why? Because they're in love. And you know what? You know what else? They don't even have to lie and say that they're looking for a relationship and then slice their arm open to get a fucking That's so true, dude. You did never even have to slice your arm open to get a uh an audition for Slipknot.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:06

No, I slice my hand open for the love of the game.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

Exactly! You do it for joy, something he could never experience.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:12

I have an excerpt here for you. Okay. If sins were a Broadway play, these seven would play out as such. Anger, wrath, would be the high-energy, high-stepping opening number. Vanity would be the duet between the leading star, all in the spotlight, with no one else on stage. Lust would be the orgy number. Greed would be the solo number for the building.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:35

There's no such thing as an orgy number.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:37

There's no such thing. That's not true, I've seen cats. Oh my god. Gluttony would feature way too much dancing. Sloth would be another boring ballad. All of this would have a lot of red and black spotlights shining, velvet curtains flying around from the jet engine fans blowing shit all over, and glittery staircases that are a little too high and lead nowhere. The songs would seem a little risque. The dancer would show a little too much pussy and cock, and the marquee. And the marquee names attached to the project would be the musical equivalent of spam and nutmeg.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:12

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:14

I truly couldn't tell you. Envy's number would be the only shining star on the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:19

I bet you think that.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:20

Because it would go completely over people's heads. It would have to be the duet between the villain and the hero, but it would slowly morph into an ensemble piece that involves everyone, and it would have to be written in such a way that you would not know who was who, because both the villain and the hero suffer the sin, scare quotes, of envy. The villain envies the hero because he gets the girl. The hero envies the villain because the villain does whatever he wants. The girl envies the villain because he gets to be so bad. The chorus line envies the core cast because they get their names on the playbill. The dancers envy the chorus line because they do more than just dance. Meanwhile, the audience envies everyone on stage because they are in a Broadway show. So envy would have to be the closing numbers because it would be the one theme that ties us all together at the end of the night. That is the time of the day when envy hits you where you live. We all go back to where we came from, and the whole time we are wondering what everyone else is doing, envying the mystery of their exploits. It is no mystery. Our fantasies are always greater than the sum of all their realities, but we still pine for their lives while next door your neighbor pines for yours.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:30

And so on, and so on. I believe the term is so on and so forth. Uh but okay, I'm trying I'm trying to like What musical is this?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:41

Shall we go?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:42

An orgy number. I'm also I'm also I've moved past what musical this is to what bigger question I have. There's a chorus line and dancers that have two separate roles.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:52

Yes. That's and they envy each other. I don't know if you heard.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:55

That's not how any of that works. If you can't dance, you're just not in it. You're not the ensemble because that's you have to do both. What's an orgy number? What do you mean it's spam and nutmeg? What the hell is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

I'm really obsessed with the idea of there being like a closing number where like the villain and the hero are like, we're kind of the same. And that's it, that's the resolution. Yeah, this is kind of phantom of the opera coded.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:26

It's not, it's it's not anything coded. Oh my god. Every time he like writes another word down, I'm like, do you know what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:36

No. No, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:39

I know, and it's so upsetting. Someone read this and went, yeah, we'll still publish it. Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. People out there who are not published authors because they can't get someone to sign their book and they're they're against these people.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:55

Our next sin is greed.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:57

Oh, great.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:58

Uh greed's unique. Um, he does understand the word.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:03

That's it. That's all it's good for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He knows what the word means.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:07

He like understands it as a sin. Other than the examples of um like uh mindlessly accruing wealth or resources. Um He also lists the following is greed.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:20

The drive to collect action figures, inventing stuff for the purpose of getting the patent so the vent invention can make you money, and ambition. And if you're like, wait, was it ambition envy? Yes. It's Bo.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:36

Ooh, I don't know it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:38

He claims that the drive to create is a form of greed because it makes you money.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:43

Oh I don't think it's the I don't think it's drive, I think it's the in intentionality.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:49

Yeah, Corey, gr greed is more like um So like he he has like a he has like a an anecdote where he talks about like um he collects movies. Um and he has like uh he he like finds the DVDs.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

He like uh you know he was mad as hell every single time when when streaming came up.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:08

Uh none of those things are said are are greed core. Not even a little um collecting stuff is a oh like I said, he collects DVDs and he's like, is this a form of greed? And you're like, well, are you like taking are you like hoarding DVDs from other people? Because if so, yes. But it doesn't sound like you are. It just sounds like you're curating a collection of films, and like that's fine, buddy. That's beautiful, my man.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:33

Do you feel reading this book like a parent?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:37

Because he keeps just being like, is this a sin? And you have to be like, no, is this a sin?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:42

Yeah, for no that is certainly what it feels like. It does feel like uh like a younger child um trying to like find like the edges of like concepts that are like very new to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:52

Is this sin?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:53

Is that no you're like oh oh no, um, and then like and you're like, well, that one's actually. Nuanced. Hang on. Come here, sit down. Is this one? Hang on. You you uh you tapped in on one that I I know about. He he adds that um you can tell greed is bullshit because everybody eats more than one MM, and everybody uses more than one square of toilet paper, and everybody grabs more than one ketchup packet and sleeps for more than eight hours. So kind of everyone is greedy? You're like, oh that's not what greed is. That's not what greed is. Also, the sle the sleep one the sleep one is sloth, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:32

Technically that would be sloth. Also, not everyone does. You're making a lot of weird generalizations.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:38

Why would using more than one square of toilet paper be greed, Corey? Why would that what would that be?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:45

Uh sloth combined with dirty ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:50

This chapter does have, I think, one of my favorite anecdotes because I find it so personally telling.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:58

Um so in 2001, he gets a good chunk of change.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:05

He get he gets um, to use a cryptocurrency term, he gets life-changing money.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:09

Oh my god. I know you learned that term just for this.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:13

No, no, no. Well, I I I'm um but he I as far as I could tell, I looked around to see if I could find what what he got money for, and I think it's when um the Spider-Man movie used his song on their soundtrack.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:32

Yeah, that would get you money.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:33

Um so he decides to invest in his friend's business ideas. Okay. Um he describes it as uh a series of three mistakes. Uh the first is he decided he tries to set up a t-shirt company with his buddy. Um it it's it sounds like a pretty simple idea, but relatively low overhead. Basically, they buy t-shirts and then print like um pithy phrases on them and then sell them.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:06

Yeah, yeah, I I know about drop shipping and shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:09

Yeah, it's it's two yeah, it's like 2001 drop shipping.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:12

It's yeah, it's just like those low quality, crappy, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:16

Um, so his buddy prints uses the m uses like the seed money Corey gives him to like print like a bunch of like proof of concept t-shirts and then blows the rest of the money on gas, food, and cigarettes.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:34

Gas was expensive, I suppose, at the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:36

Suppose.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:37

It must be, I hope it was, at least. Let's see here.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:39

Well, oh two, yeah, I guess we uh we would have uh just started the war in Afghanistan.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:45

Oh god, and I know what that's like. You know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:48

Yeah, and we all know what that was like.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:51

Um, so he basically just like stops giving his friend money and writes this one off as a loss. He's like, there's no way I'm getting back. I I I can't like wring this money out of my friend. He had to like steal from me just to get cigarettes. Like, you're not getting this money back. Um so then he has another friend who wants to start a tattoo shop.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:15

And so he gives this guy a bunch of money.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:18

And this guy buys a piece of commercial property to set up the shop, like an hour outside of Des Moines and far away from the highway. Beautiful. Like it's truly it sounds like it's truly out of the way. And then he hires um his buddies, who just from the way Corey describes it, aren't good artists. And so, like, there's just like immediate word of mouth that like this place sucks. Corey is blowing money on like local advertising and like ads and like um regional radio um before the this just goes belly up. He won't describe the third mistake. Oh he won't say what it is. All he says is that it was so much money that it put him into debt, and it took several slip knot albums and tours for him to get back in the black.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:21

Was it a marriage?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:23

He doesn't say. I don't know. I don't even know how I would look up like what is Cory Taylor's third mistake. Um, he says he he won't talk about it because the people are still close to him. So my guess would be mom dad sister. But like he he says like they're really close and they fucked him over, he lost so much money, but like he can't talk about it because he's still close to them, and he like doesn't want to like put their business out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:52

I don't know why I bring it up then. Just just give to just give the first two. What I find so personally or what I find so personally telling about this is that Corey blames himself for these things. As he should, he wrote this book. He's like, all these things happened because of my greed and wanting to turn this chunk of change into more money via investments. And it's like Corey.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:15

If you were to invest, I think you'd hopefully, I would hope, you'd invest better.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:19

Corey, if this was greed, then you would have invested better.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:23

You wouldn't have given it to a guy who's gonna spend it on cigarettes and gas.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:27

Yeah, instead, like uh Corey, this is like extremely magnanimous of you. This is extremely generous. You like gave your friends money, and like really your biggest mistake was just um trusting that your um dumb bitch friends could like handle this level of responsibility.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:42

Your hometown D bag friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:44

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:45

Your friends who respect that you're in slipknot.

unknown 1:33:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:48

Yeah, no, you should have seen that one. Bro, I should have seen that one coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:52

Yeah, it makes me it makes me like feel sad for Corey that or that like he thinks that like this is an example of like a personal failing to the extent of like greed. And it's like, no, this is you're just bad with money. That's fine, and that's not that's not a sin, Corey. That's allowed. You're allowed to be a little dumb and bad with money.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:14

Yeah. God, that's wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:17

There is an epilogue to this anecdote. Okay. Which is which is that the shirt seller buddy's teeth have all rotted out of his head.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:27

Oh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:28

Um, the tattoo shop owner's wife left him. That's my wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:35

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. Okay. These are the silver linings?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:42

No, no, no. This is just like this is just like they got theirs, karma. Karma, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

Um.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:49

And then the uh the third one he won't talk about is they they live in like a hell so horrible he wouldn't wish it on his worst enemies. Which, like, whatever that means.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:57

Wait, I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:01

Process faster. It's bad for content.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:03

This is him being happy that bad things happen to people who were not capable of succeeding in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:13

I don't know about happy but satisfied for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:16

Surely that's a seven deadly sin. Surely you would think. Surely that's part of the sins, I would think, right? But you would think it's a sin.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:23

Surely that level of Schadenfreude is surely a sin.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:27

It's like it's like emotionally wrathful.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:29

My favorite part of it is that like this is just like general bad stuff that happened to his friends. It's not like it's not like ironic in any way, right? It's not like the uh the tattoo shop went under, and as a result of it going under, like something happened. No, it's just like other bad things. By the way, his wife left him. Lastly, we have gluttony. This is the last of the sins. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:53

I'm sure he's gonna be really cool and have some awesome takes on this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:57

You might be surprised. It is by far the best of the sin chapters.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:01

Um, this it's also the closest to a memoir any of these chapters gets, other than the My Waterloo chapter I mentioned earlier.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:11

Um, he again he brings back up the um shitty room that he got when his family moved to Waterloo.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:20

Um, the this like closet. He he like describes it a little more. He talks about like um what he always dreamed of doing in a room is getting to like listen to music in there. Which is extremely sad. To me, yeah. It's it's really disheartening to me that like what he wants in like a room is so banal.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:40

He's like, I wanna hang up I wanna hang up posters and listen to music.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:43

It makes you kind of bad for stunting on him for like Yeah, for like two hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna listen to music in my will. I'm sorry. I want to hang up little posters. Yeah, it makes me it makes me seem like a real piece of shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:09

Look at you, you want to look at you exactly. Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:12

But again, because it's just like a hall closet, there's no outlets, so we can't plug in like a stereo.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:17

Stop it, it's hurting.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:20

There's also no overhead light, so we can't hang up posters. Like, how would he look at them? It's so sad. It's so sad. This is why what I what I want is a memoir. Corey, you're making Cory Taylor, stop it! You're making me make fun of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:39

I don't want to stop on you, you're forcing my hand!

SPEAKER_01 1:37:43

Yeah, I want you to write a book about your experiences so I can go like, wow, this is like really incredible and I found this really interesting, and instead you were like giving her all my dumb bitch paws.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:55

Cory Taylor, I want to be proud that you survived. I don't want to have to go, you stupid dumb bitch. Anyway, um much like the mom who got her ass beat, you're asking for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:10

Um anyway, because he can't listen to music or look at poster, uh he goes out and parties. Um and uh he like gets in a bunch of trouble. Yeah. Um he uh he goes to a party, he like gets like more and more intense. Um he like stop bit functionally stops going to school.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:31

Um why would he need that? Well yeah that's oh what am I gonna fucking need this?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:35

What am I ever gonna need this? That's so true for him. Um he goes to a party where he doesn't know anybody and um ODs on Coke. Do you know how hard it is to OD on Coke? I don't. I presume very He wakes up the next morning in a dumpster. Okay. What has happened is that because nobody knows him, nobody is willing to take responsibility for him. Because he's in he's underage, he's like 15 when this happens. Nobody is willing to take responsibility for being being the person that brings an underage uh uh cocaine overdose to the hospital and having to deal with any possible legal ramifications of that. So they dump him in a dumpster and leave. He fortunately he survives. Um, but like he's like outside of town, so he he he talks about like he has to walk like 15 miles to get back home. So like he he's like, I tell this story to discuss that gluttony not just eating nasty style, um, it's overconsumption in any way. And that's true, he's correct. That is uh objectively a correct assessment of the sin of gluttony. Perfect, thank you. Great job. Yep. Um, and then he says, um he overcorrects and he's like any overconsumption, any con any consumption over the top is gluttony. Uh, and then he says stamp collecting is gluttony. Which um uh isn't true. Okay. That's not again, still not true, Corey.

unknown 1:40:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:09

What is your beef with collecting?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:11

I okay, I've been over here googling coke stuff. So my So my search history is about to be fucking insane. Um, because I was trying to figure out how much does it take to OD on Coke? So Q did somewhere between 10 and 12 bumps.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:27

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:28

So which okay, yes. A little gluttonous with the coke there, buddy. You like to put the coke. Hey, bud. Hey, hey man, stop bogarding all the cocaine. Hey, buddy, a quick question. How? Who let you do 10 bumps? Eventually, someone will be like, Who are you? Why are you doing all the coke?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:51

He describes um his like journey getting into music, and like um he talks like I got into like this, this, and this, and then like that led me into this, this, and this, and then that led me into this, this, and this, and he's like, and that's kind of gluttonous of me.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:04

And now I'm collecting DVDs, like greedy, gluttonous little slut.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:09

That I need music so much that I make it. Sometimes he has a take that I find so um jarring that I'm I'm like, oh fuck, and I need to like set it down for a second. You know who else is kind of a glutton? Um, battered wives that don't leave their husbands. Oof, okay. She's kind of a glutton for fear.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:32

Which He heard the term glutton for punishment, and he was like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:37

What if I take that real serious?

unknown 1:41:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:39

What if I take that in a very literal way? Hey, um Which as as someone who's like worked with like um uh uh survivors of uh domestic violence, uh just just on the face of it, not true.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:52

I'm gonna blast right past the absolutely abhorrent moral argument he's making, and going, Corey, were you a glutton for OD? He was kind of a glutton for. I mean, he says that, yes. That's true. Corey, are you a glutton for nut? I mean, technically, because I I know how these arguments go, because there's not a single person who ever bitches about the seven deadly sins and comes out without being like, all sins are one sin.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:16

Some kind of one sin.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:17

So my my my argument now is all sins are gluttony.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:21

All sins are gluttony. Sloth is a gluttony for wrath, wrath is a gluttony for punching kids.

unknown 1:42:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:26

Lust is gluttony for nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:31

Um he gets into why this sin is bullshit, which is just that gluttons are trying to fill a hole, and why should that be a sin when they don't even know what hole they're trying to fill? Hey, Corey, maybe And like I I guess I agree. My only sin is needing therapy. I guess I I guess I agree with this with this assessment. Okay. But like once again, I must ask, you're not Christian, so who cares?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:58

He doesn't understand that he lives in a Christian-influenced society, but does not have to live by the laws of Christianity.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:04

Yeah, he's talking about it as if there's like legal ramifications for any of for like committing any of these sins. Later, he really leans in on this like misunderstanding. He acts like there's a law that says you can't be greedy. He he gets into a very long diatribe about he's a glutton for the truth. Um because, and this is an unpopular opinion. I've never heard this. Okay, let me hear it. Um, he kind of hates fakers and liars.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:32

I think I knew a singer who once said something about hating the liars and the fakes.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:36

And you need to get down to the sick beat.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:37

This sick beat! Hey girl, you know who's like the slipknot of the white girls.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:46

He he ends by saying that he is where he is now because he's a glutton for work and for loving his family.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:53

That's nice. That's a sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:58

Before I get into his.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:00

I have to keep reminding myself he was like neglected as a child.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:04

You have to feel a little human emotion for him.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:06

Yeah, so I don't absolutely go off more than I have already done. Um You really front-loaded it with sexual assault, but you forgot the neglect at the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:15

Yeah, I did. I I um well I I wanted to talk about the because the I didn't know where else to put the sexual assault.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:21

The sexual if you added the sexual assault with the child neglect, it would just it would really take everything. Yeah, you gotta kinda offload it and bounce it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:31

Um I before I get into his last couple chapters. Oh Jesus. Um I I wanna add, this is the chapter where he mentions that he at like a uh um in his mental.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:43

When you start pointing to your head like this, like you're trying to like control objects, I know we're about to get some whack takes, okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:50

Uh core Corey Taylor is kind of um, if I if I may use um the words of his people, he's kind of in his mental in this chapter. Um and he says that like he like hates um like authority and rigidity. No shit, you're in new metal. Yeah, I'm like, uh no, I no, I noticed Corey. I I know you have a problem with authority trust that comes across loud and clear. Um but he like hates the authority and rigidity of the dictionary, and he prefers to like figure out what words mean by the so by like the thesaurus so he can see like the limits on like a word's meeting. And this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:31

Did he really talk about the thesaurus?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:33

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:34

Did he really talk about a thesaurus?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:36

Oh geez.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:37

This really clicked the entire book together for me. All of these sin chapters really clicked together when he starts talking about the thesaurus. Because that's what he's doing, right? Is he's like he's like, okay, what are the seven deadly sins? Wrath. And he just types wrath into thesaurus.com. Yes, he did. Anger and rage come up, and he's like, and that's a sin. Okay, uh, lust. Okay, that's uh uh uh sex, okay. Uh uh that's cool because um you make babies and stuff and you get to um uh women pee on you. And that's a sin! He's just doing that for the whole book. That's it, it clicks, right? Because he's like sloth, extreme laziness. This is the research he's doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:20

I in a way, it's almost admirable that he is so hometown debag poisoned, he doesn't even realize he just admitted to being dumber than we thought.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:37

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:38

Like, at least, at least okay, neglected child. Um at least if if it was it was making the connections in his mind, it would be like, okay, you're just like you're kinda dumb. You didn't go to college, you're kind of like a new metal guy, like, yeah. But the fact that he's like, and I don't like dictionaries, I prefer thesauruses.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:59

It's like no, no, dude, like, because here's the thing like to me, in in like in my mental, when I think about like this the dictionary is only giving you that's just like what they want you to know, right? But like when you get into the thesaurus, when you like check that out, because it's just like one tab over on dictionary.com, right? You go to thesaurus.com and you like really find the 360 of a word, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:22

Dude, do and the thesaurus, it sounds like a dinosaur, right? So, like, you know it's older and more important.

unknown 1:47:31

God.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:32

Okay, I'm trying to remain chill. I I think I could beat up Corey Taylor. I think I got I think I got it on this 50-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:48

We get to my favorite part of the whole book. Oh, Jesus, okay. My favorite part of the whole book.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:52

What is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:47:54

Corey has spent this whole time talking about how the seven deadly sins are bullshit, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:58

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:58

Uh they're they're mega bullshit and they're based on nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:03

Um It's Corey's turn to write the seven deadly sins. Oh god, he's gonna do that thing they all do, isn't it? He's gonna do the thing. Which one does he choose?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:14

I will now relay this to you. Oh god. The seven deadly sins, as Corey considers them. One is murder. Uh that's a sin right now. Right now, that's anybody. And this instant that's a sin.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:27

That's wrath.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:28

Uh number two is child ab uh child abuse. That's wrath. Um, also the sin of wrath. Yep. Okay, next. Uh number three is rape, which is a sin already. That's that's wrath. Uh number four is I think my second favorite one.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:44

Okay, what is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:44

Which is torture. It's wrath. Also wrath. Torture. I in my in my notes, I was like, what the fuck do you mean by this? What do you mean torture? Do you mean like physical punishment? Do you mean like um Do you mean like a kind of like uh uh like uh symbolic way? No, he does literally mean like Guantanamo Bay Abu Graib.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:08

I mean he's right. Like it's okay, let's see what other he can define as wrath.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:14

Um theft. Uh that's uh thou shalt not steal, Corey.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:18

Is that envy or greed? Who cares? It's thou shalt not steal. It's already a sin.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:22

It's a commandment. Um, lying. Um, thou shalt not bear false witness. It's just put it's just phrased old timey, Corey, already a sin.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:31

Ooh, watch out. The Catholic is out here fucking showing off his giant Catholic penis.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:35

The s the seventh one, my favorite, is um making bad music.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:40

Careful, Corey!

SPEAKER_01 1:49:43

Be very careful here.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:44

Hey, Cory, uh, I got shown three of your music videos, and I've gotta say, you might be uh you might be guilty of the biggest of all.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:53

Um he explains his reasoning for all of these. I don't really feel that I need explanations on why these things should be.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:00

No, I don't care what he thinks.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:01

I guess except for bad music, I do need your explanation on why this makes the seven deadly sins.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:06

Are you saying we should put people to death if they Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:10

He claims the murder rate has been rising. Um no, it hasn't. Um he also claims there's no real punishment for murder anymore. That's wrong. Because, and these are his words, people that murder are sometimes poor and they get to read and get fed and get a bed and take correspondence classes in prison. Um that's a oh, there's how I uh uh Which like his basic gist here, and I believe he says this in his many words, is um he says that like people are going to prison and it's like better than the lives they already live. I Which like I mean like in a vacuum, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:50

I want to say something.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:52

One, the assumption that most people who murder are poor and live worse lives than they would inside of a known abusive and pedantic correctional, not even correctional, just punishment facilities and it's not.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:04

Yeah, yeah, a punitive system.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:06

Seems seems like that's probably wrong. Uh two, seems like what you're mad about is that there is a lack of support in a country that should be helping people that are doing poorly.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:17

He doesn't believe in that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:18

Also, uh three, as someone who uh works with uh the the people first unhoused people uh language type shit, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:27

I presume if someone is really suffering and they're going to commit a crime to go to jail, it's not murder, it's probably more like theft or something easy that's not murder.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:41

Yeah, it's it's also just like it's one of these things where like in a vacuum, sure, uh prison is might be better than like some people's living situations, but he's also not taking into account like a lot of the abuses and exploitation that happen within prison. I d I Especially American prisons. Um, but yeah, we kind of need more punishments for murder, and I guess that's sin. Hey, buddy. It needs to be a sin.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:07

Hey buddy, what if we start sending people who make bad music to jail?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:11

Um I don't think you'll think it's that cool. He has a reasonably for for a 2000s alt metal guy, a good description of what exactly is wrong with rape as a crime. He gets uh upset that punitive justice for rapists um is meted out by other inmates in prison, but like the sentencing itself is light by comparison.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:36

Um Why do you think that is, Corey Taylor?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:38

Yeah, like I guess I agree, but like again, I don't know what your I don't know what your commentary is by saying it should be one of the seven deadly sins. The seven deadly sins don't determine like the legal code.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:50

Cory Corey Taylor's anti-torture, which is a good take.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:53

Yeah. I mean, it's pretty base level, but we'll take it.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:56

Um He's he talks about deregulation as a form of theft, um, which is coming. This is pre-Occupy Wall Street. Um, which uh uh good for you, uh anarchist king. Um he kind of specifies that he doesn't mean theft as a form of impoverished harm reduction. He talks about like um at like the neediest times of his life, he s he like did steal, but like he was in such like great need. Again, I like good take, but also I think this is a an opinion being formed by his own personal experience. Yeah. Whereas like he has like because like he's never been to prison, so like his assessment of prison is that it's like kind of easy and you get to like read in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:46

We should send him to prison, you're right. We should. We should send that man to prison and send that send his white butt to jail.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:52

Um his point about lying is something I find interesting, which is that uh he says lying is a fairly normal part of the human experience, but that doesn't make it morally right. Um, which I agree with.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:05

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:09

Lust shouldn't be a sin because we gotta buck. And that's a normal thing for humans to do, but lying should be, even though that's a normal thing for humans to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:19

Yeah, you yeah, exactly. That's what I have in my notes here is you could say that about truly any of the sins he talks about. Uh all of these things are relatively normal parts of the human experience, but you have to regulate them uh uh for like the good of society. That's the point of the sin. I want to read you his what he says for his reasoning for why bad music is, in his opinion, the worst one. The worst? Finally, we come to the odd man out.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:49

Bad music.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:51

I know there are those among you who will think I am losing possession of my faculties. Okay. But let me fill in some of these blanks for you people with blank stares. You said blank too much. That doesn't work. Bad music is a form of murder to the true art of music in general.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:08

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:09

Bad music forced on a child is abuse because it invariably formed that child's taste in music.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:15

That's not that bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:16

Bad music has raped an industry that was held up strongly by great expression for decades, but now finds itself floundering, giving in to the lowest common denominator of music just to keep its panties around its waist.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:28

Almost like if someone tried to play slipknot and convince you that it was the best. Oh god, your lips are burst and ready for this.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:34

Bad music tortures the eardrum and kills little bits of your senses through prolonged exposure. Okay. Bad music steals money from shallow pockets, steals airtime from more deserving fans and songwriters. Which is apparently the spotlight from undiscovered geniuses who have all but given up on a dream because of the mediocrity of popular radio.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:59

Okay, cool. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:01

Um, who's the undiscovered? Who's the undiscovered genius, Corey? Is it you? Hey, Cory, it sounds like are you the undiscovered genius?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:07

Hey Cory, this sounds like this might just be like Are you the more deserving band and songwriter?

SPEAKER_01 1:56:11

Bad music is a lie! Yet it is foisted on the public in an attempt to turn melodies and song into hamburgers and fries. Bad music is truly a sin because you do not have to be exceptional to make it in the music industry anymore. You just have to be good enough to stick around and be tolerated. Almost like slip nut. I understand that bad music is a matter of opinion. I know that, but I am fairly confident that more people agree with me than you suspect. Bad music is just fucking bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:45

I hope that's the last word in the book.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:47

It's not. I wish. I fucking wish. I'm skipping forward a little bit here. Bad music sets forth the idea that anyone can make popular music. That is a fucking lie. It takes challenge to be a true artist. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar and a cheat.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:04

Is he swearing this much throughout the rest of the book?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:06

Huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:07

Is he swearing this much throughout the rest of the book?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:09

Yeah, kind of.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:10

My mother always says swearing is just a sign of low intelligence.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:13

That's huge, Fags. That's fucking true. Plastic music melts when held up to the flames of honesty. What? Real music does not have to worry about the heat because it is already on fire with heart and soul. I can only hope that it goes away. I doubt it, but I hope.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:30

Even the dogs look fed up.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:34

And that's kind of beautiful if you think about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:36

That's not beautiful. That's awful. Oh my fucking god.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:41

My favorite part about this is that, like, because it's like a matter of opinion, he's kind of general about like what bad music is. So, like, I can turn all this around on him. Like, he talks about like I don't know. To me, when I listen to a slipknot song, um, I've even like looked up the lyrics to ch I don't know that I really consider a slipknot song to be like a particularly like deep ocean of uh of meaning and emotion. Anyway, he sort of rambles for the rest of the chapter.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:08

Uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:09

He does mention he's kind of getting my ass with this one.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:12

But he mentions that he knows a lot of these things are already a sin, except for the bad music one. He ends the book with an extended bit that I'm not really willing or interested in extending. Oh, thank God. Um he does this thing, I love that he does this, where he kind of like deflects from any and all criticism, getting my ass again by doing a quick uh and if you disagree with you, actually you're the dummy because I'm talking out of my ass, and like, so you're just taking what I'm saying, I'm not even taking this seriously. And then, um, and then he ends the book with an anecdote about um wandering around Hollywood after hanging out with um Jerry Cantrell, Mike Inez, and Lars Ulrich. Um, and then he sits on a bench and feels like his life has to change because just like his little jaunt around Hollywood after his li uh dinner, um, he's aimless and that needs to change.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:04

Well, thank God you wrote a book, or else we'd all have to be really disappointed in you. Um he has other books. Does he really?

SPEAKER_01 1:59:11

Yeah! Oh my god. Maybe maybe I'll talk about them. Please don't. Um, overall, so book's pretty bad. Yep. Um, I wish it was a memoir. I like a memoir.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:22

I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:23

I like a celebrity memoir.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:24

You like people's drama.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:25

I love people's drama. Um, I think he's I think he's an interesting guy. Um I I think he's I think he's interesting. We get it. You like new metal. Calm down. I think he's led an interesting life. JC loves when people get abused. I don't like new metal. That's not true.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:41

I don't like new metal. I just know all of the lyrics to these songs. I don't know all the lyrics to these songs. I don't know. You were saying one of the verses or chorses gets stuck in your head, Mr. Ooh, I don't even know this song. Yeah, that's the one song I know. Anyway. I've never had any new metal get stuck in my head. I guess I'm just better than you.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:56

I don't think I could recommend this to anyone.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:58

I don't would hope you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:59

I don't think I could recommend it.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:00

You know who would love this though? I bet a Catholic priest would really have a field day.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:07

Yeah, give this to like a youth pastor and let them like respond.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:11

Give this to an old Irish guy who's like, I would like you to write a response to this for the Catholic Church.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:17

Theologically.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:18

Theologically, I'm gonna need this to go all the way up to the top.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:22

And that's Seven Deadly Sins by Corey Taylor. JC, this has been really rough. It's it's a rough one.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:28

JC, can you start reading some Monster Erotica or some romance books or something? Yeah, sure. Hey, uh I'm gonna need you on behalf of Corey Taylor's new uh sins to never show me a slipknot song ever again.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:44

You're right. That's a that's a deadly sin.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:46

That's a deadly sin. It's bad music.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:48

Big facts.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:49

Anyway, uh good, everybody, I'm gonna go to the house.